06-02-2008 09:10 PM
Hi, what do we do if we have multiple citations referring to the same author in the same year e.g.. (Moser 2000a) .......... (Moser 2000b) ...........(Moser 2000c) etc. in order to ensure that 2000a appears first in the text. I have a case where (2000b) appears in the chapter before (2000a). I have combed the help menu, but have not found the solution, which must be easy!! Are you able to help?
Many thanks, Megan
06-03-2008 10:01 AM - edited 06-03-2008 02:40 PM
The letter assignment is done based on the sort order of your bibliography. Your references in the bibliography will be sorted, typically alphabetically then by year and by the title. If you have ambiguous citations the 'a' will be applied to the reference that comes first in the bibliography, this will make sure that your bibliography remains in order. Otherwise your bibliography would appear out of order.
12-15-2008 10:03 PM
I have the same problem. I would like to have my bibliography sort in 'Author'-alphabetically, 'Year', and then in 'Order of appearance'. However, in the style editing option: 'Order of appearance' is only selectable alone...
Can anybody help!
Thanks a lot,
12-20-2008 09:13 PM
Hm, thanks for the answer. But I don't think this is the point. There are several journals which ask for this kind of format and I reckon that's enough reason for program desingers to implement this option.
And I hope after appying this format there would be no references left, is this not the purpose of a bibliography-program? Sorry, I might have not understood your question.
I agree that this might look inconsistent for the inner logic of the bibliography, but if you read an article as an editior this makes perfectly sense. If you read the text and Smith 2000b comes before Smith 2000a then the chronology appears to be wrong, this is obviously enough reason for some editors to ask for this kind of format.
12-21-2008 12:03 PM
If you have a link to author guidelines that explicitly state that this is a requirement, please do share. I've seen this request from users in the past, but have yet to actually see any publisher requirements that state the same. I've been unable to find them myself, and without that sort of 'hard evidence' we don't have enough to to go on in order to legitimize a product enhancement. Thanks!
12-22-2008 01:39 AM
Thanks a lot for your reply, I assume that means that this option is not implemented in the program and I'm not too stupid to find it . I can do it manually after I have deformatted the text, but I would appreciate it if this option would be implemented in future.
I can't give you the detailed descriptions on the journal websites, as they are normally pretty vague. But I have encountered this problem twice now with referees from the Journal of Archaeological Science (JAS) and once with Archaeology in Oceania, as well as with reviewers for PhDs in Humanities at the Australian National University.
Thanks a lot!
12-22-2008 06:18 PM
I sometimes get the same query from EndNote users, who are dismayed when they find that (Jones 2000b) occurs in the text before (Jones 2000a).
I explain to them that, in author-date referencing systems, the citation in the text is simply a way of locating an item in the reference list. The reference list is the hub of the referencing system, and the in-text citations correspond to the logical order of the entries in the reference list, which is arranged first by author, then by year, and finally by title.
All the standard referencing manuals follow this policy, including Chicago, APA and the (Australian) Style Manual for Authors, Editors and Printers (the "Snooks" manual).
Unfortunately there are quite a few dissertation supervisors and journal editors who are vague about referencing conventions! It takes some courage to tell them so...
01-25-2009 02:36 PM
I am picking up this thread again after a while as I am now encountering the problem.
I have cited the second reference first and the first second and therefore have b before a. As everything else is exactly the same up until we arrive at the title I take it then that endnote works based on the title and short of changing the title on the citation I have no option but to have 2007b before 2007a?
Day, G, Minichiello, V & Madison, J 2007a, 'Nursing morale: predictive variables among a sample of Registered Nurses in Australia', Journal of Nursing Management, vol. 15, no. 3, pp. 274-284.
Day, G, Minichiello, V & Madison, J 2007b, 'Self-reported perceptions of Registered Nurses working in Australian hospitals', Journal of Nursing Management vol. 15, no. 4, pp. 403-413.
So from the point of view of John East from UQ I should be ok with the 2007b coming in before the 2007a. As John has suggested, I know my supervisor is going to pick up on this so I need ammunition to explain to him what's happening here. Any help will be appreciated.
01-25-2009 10:42 PM - edited 05-31-2009 10:21 PM