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Output-Style Question

Hello

 

First - please excuse any mistakes in my post because english is not my native language.

So I've got a little problem with my Output Style in Endnote.

I do have titles within a series with and without Series Volume (e.g. Studies in Egyptology vs OBO 4) or completly without a series.

Now I want endnote to write the series title always in brackets like "(Studies in Egyptology)" - independently if there is a series volume or not. So I wrote

Book Title (Series Title Series Volume)l, Pages

This works good for Book Sections without a series - Title, Pages.

But now when I do have a title with a series (eg Studies in Egyptology) it comes out like: Title (Studies in Egyptology, Pages. So the closing-bracket is missing. I guess I see the problem - the closing-bracket is dependent on the "Series Volume" - so if there's no volume there's no bracket. So I tried to separate the ) from the Series Volume:

Book Title (Series Title Series Volumel)l, Pages

The result for books within a series is as I want it to be: Title (Studies in Egyptology), Pages.

But when I have a book with neither Series-Title nor Volume it comes out like: Title), Pages.

So the closing-bracket ) is independent from the whole content of the brackets. But it should be dependent on the fact if there's a "Series-Title" or not. Is there any possibility to accomplish this? Probably something I could put behind the Series-Title to tell endnote "only-write-this-when-there's-nothing-to-it's-right"?

 

I hope my post is comprehensible.

 

Best regards

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Re: Output-Style Question

easiest to fix for you, if you attach your actual  modified output style.  It should be in your user documents/endnote/styles folder.  

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Re: Output-Style Question

Maybe it is clearer if one notes that a pair of the characters | ISOLATE the associated text -- you need two, but you also need the "link adjacent" space character in some instances (which I indicate with * but needs to be selected from the drop down to replace those.)  Without the * between Series Title and the word Series (which I assume you want there as text when there is a Series title) the word Series will appear in all instances.  

 

Book Title| (|Series Title*Series|*Volume|)|,*Pages|.

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Re: Output-Style Question

I just wrote a really long and detailed reply to this thread, which now seems to have vanished into thin air… did anyone else see it?

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I still see issues with this forum erroring when I go to post.  I have taken to copying the darn post before posting so I can paste it again.  Sometimes it will give you the option to "upload" when you go to reply to the post again, sometimes if you go back it reappears, but usually it is just GONE -- ugh.  sorry.  

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Yes, it seems my edit to the previous post (noting that I know the long post did go up, because I made an edit to it after posting) has also not deigned to appear.

 

I’m too beat now, but I’ll write up the long post again tomorrow. *sigh*

 

The short version is that this is still an issue: both opening and closing parenthesis need to depend on Series Title, which I can’t see any way of doing when Series Volume intervenes. You either get the closing parenthesis tacked on to the title if there’s no series, or you get a missing parenthesis if there is a series but no series volume number. :-/

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checking my inbox, I see this "long post" that disappeared?  Has this issue been solved (although if you still lose spaces and punctuation I cab try to fix it for you and edit and post here!) 

 

Re: Output-Style Question

It seems that there is still no way to do this properly, which quite frankly boggles the mind, since it’s an inherent problem in any output style.

 

Leanne’s suggestion seems to be misunderstanding Series Volume, taking it to be the word ‘Series’ before the field Volume; the separator and link adjacent space must be changed to a simple space. But even then, unfortunately, it doesn’t work. Say you have the following three possible variations of the same reference:

 

Author: John Smith Title: Lovely Book
Place of publication: Oxford
Publisher: OUP (a) Series Title: [empty] Series Volume: [empty] (b) Series Title: Excellent Series Series Volume: [empty] (c) Series Title: Excellent Series Series Volume: 5

 

That is, one version where the book is not part of a monograph series; one version where it is an unnumbered volume in a monograph series; and one version where it is a numbered volume in a monograph series.

 

What you’d want is for those three variations to appear as follows (or in whatever output style variation you prefer):

Smith, John. Lovely Book. Oxford: OUP
Smith, John. Lovely Book (Excellent Series). Oxford: OUP
Smith, John. Lovely Book (Excellent Series 5). Oxford: OUP

 

But this is not what you actually get. With Leanne’s suggestion, you get this:

Smith, John. Lovely Book). Oxford: OUP Smith, John. Lovely Book (Excellent Series). Oxford: OUP Smith, John. Lovely Book (Excellent Series 5). Oxford: OUP

– which is almost right, except for the ending parenthesis after the book title.

 

This would logically appear to be an inherent shortcoming in the way templates are written, with only one isolator and one linker available: the ending parenthesis must somehow depend not on the immediately preceding Series Volume field, but on the Series Title field further back.

 

Can it really be that there is no way to do this? That manually editing the bibliography after formatting is the only way to achieve proper series formatting?

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Re: Output-Style Question

Book Title|*(|Series Title|*Series Volume|)|,*Pages|.

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Ah, so it wasn’t just me!

 

I did actually get it to work. I don’t know what I did wrong the first time around, but I must have done something not right. When I tried again, it worked. Though I admit I still can’t quite figure out why it works – the documentation on what exactly the adjacent-linker and separator do in templates leaves quite a bit to be desired.

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Yes,  the two are confusing and I always include both because I am never sure exactly which one I really need.  I suspect I don't always need them both all the time, but it works most reliably when I do!  Also note that the "link adjacent" space doesn't act like a "non-breaking" space in the output, despite the description of it.  Word breaks a line there just fine.  

 

  • Link adjacent text - a non-breaking space (shown as a small grey diamond in the template) used to link adjacent text to a field so text doesn't appear if the field is empty.  
  • Forced separation (| pipe symbol)- used to separate punctuation from adjacent fields. e.g. you might want a full stop at the end no matter what fields are empty. 
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