Chicago Style, conditionality for pages

An historian has asked me a question, and I do not know whether there is an answer… She is using the Chicago Style, and when she cites journal articles or book chapters, she would like to edit the style in order to introduce some conditionality for page numbers. Depending on how she edits the style, she can make appear in her footnote either the first and last page of the article, or the cited pages, or the first and last page of the article AND the cited pages. But what she needs is to make appear the cited pages OR the first and last page of the article (the latter only if there are no cited pages).

Could it be possible ? Thanks for your help!

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@cbrendow wrote:

 … But what she needs is to make appear the cited pages OR the first and last page of the article (the latter only if there are no cited pages).

 

It’s possible - the key is to have two fields handle page numbers: 1) Cited Pages, and 2) a second field to hold the first and last page of the article. Then modify the Chicago template to include the second field.

 

For the second field you could either use a pre-existing field in the reference (Journal Article) such as “Start Page” or use a Custom field. In either case, the field is dedicated toward holding the first and last page of the article.

 

The next and final step is to modify the Journal Article template in the Chicago output style to include the second field (containing the first and last page of the article).  Then the result will display Cited Pages (if the field has info) otherwise the second field containing the first/last page will be displayed.

Thanks for the answer. Apparently, she has already tried to modify the template, like this: 

  • Author, “Title,” [Translated Title.] review of Reviewed Item, Journal Volume|, no. Issue |(Year)|: Cited Pages|, Pages|.
  • Author, “Title,” [Translated Title.] review of Reviewed Item, Journal Volume|, no. Issue |(Year)|: Pages|, Cited Pages|.

The problem is, that if the field “cited pages” has info, the field containing the first and last page of the article is also displayed in the citation. She has “cited pages” and “first and last pages”, not “cited pages” or “first and last pages”. We do not really understand how to make this field be displayed only if the field cited pages has no information. 

Thanks for your help. 

@cbrendow wrote:

The problem is, that if the field “cited pages” has info, the field containing the first and last page of the article is also displayed in the citation. She has “cited pages” and “first and last pages”, not “cited pages” or “first and last pages”. We do not really understand how to make this field be displayed only if the field cited pages has no information. 

 

Thanks for your help. 

Unfortunately until EndNote enables users greater flexibility to address conditional selections, we are limited to manually manipulating data within the reference template (e.g., Journal Article).

So in the example you describe, the way to display one of the page number fields (i.e., first/last pages) is to go into the respective EndNote reference entry, remove the Cited Page field’s page numbers, leaving a blank field. (This info could be copied/saved to a different field.) Then since the second field (first/last pages) is now the only field listing page numbers, this info will be displayed in the output.

If the Cited Page field info is to be displayed then reverse the process. (Have the Cited Page field contain the info and leave the first/last page field blank.)

There are some field substituions allowed, but I am not sure they will be enough for your puposes.  Have you considered them? see the options in attached jpg.  These are in the output style bibliography and footnote template sections, field substitutions.  It seems to me that you would still need to manipulate the data in the library using the move/copy tools to generate the correct combinations of situations.  

Thanks for this information.

We have one last question: is it possible to add another field substitution condition, such as “if the cited pages field is empty…”, and if it is possible, how to do it ?

Thanks for your assistance. 

Just a user like you, and I don’t think so, but you could make it a Suggestion in the other forum.