director first & last name always reversed when citing film or broadcast - can't fix??

Hi there,

so i’m going my essay and citing it in apa 6th style (using endnote x7) and I have a motion picture source that i’m wanting to cite as a “film or broadcast”.

I entered both the producer and the director and am expecting it to resemble this example (as per all of the countless apa examples i’ve found):

Reed, T. (Producer), & Bell, M. (Director). (2008). Schoolyard games [Motion picture]. Canada: National Film Board.

However, when I test the entry first off i noticed that “producer” is labeled as “writer”??!!  No biggie, I go to the template settings and change it - good.  The other settings are off too and I change them until my citation is exactly what I want with one exception:  the director’s first and last name are reverse?  So taking the above example as what i WANT, I can only end up with the following:

Reed, T. (Producer), & M Bell. (Director). (2008). Schoolyard games [Motion picture]. Canada: National Film Board.

I wasted hours playing around with preferences and template settings without success.  What am i missing or doing wrong?

Thank you,

Coho

It would help if you provided your output style to allow viewing of how you configured the bibliography template.

Absent your output style, a “guestimate” might be to try adjusting the Editor Name’s “First editor” setting to reverse-the-order to lastname, firstname. See attached image.
Bibliography-Editor Name.gif

I have been having trouble attaching an output style though.  I found the only way I could attach it, was to first use windows to zip it and attach the zipped file. 

hi there,

perfect! that did it!  thank you SO much…  

I spent hours playing with settings similar to that in the author lists and template type, etc…swear words were uttered

but not editor.  Aside from general experience, how is one supposed to know the correlation between “editor” and “director” ??

coho

actually…

i was wondering…switching the first editor name order works for the director with a motion picture.

but won’t it screw me and reverse the name order from the correct way when citing edited books?  If i’m remembering correctly, in apa 6th, the editors in books are listed as    A. Editor (Eds)     rather than    Editor, A. (Eds)    no?

bump

coho’s Q1 : “Aside from general experience, how is one supposed to know the correlation between “editor” and “director” ??”

I think you meant “Producer”, not “Director”. The bibliography entry for the “Film or Broadcast” reference type is determined by the different fields capturing the key pieces of information (e,g., producer’s name, director’s name, year, film title, place published, distributor.

To view the field names and go to the EndNote toolbar and search via Help for “Reference Types”;  or select Edit > Preferences > Reference Types > Modify Reference Types, then click the pull-down menu and select “Film or Broadcast”.  Some of the guiding principles in modifying reference types include:

  1. Use the Reference Types preference to add, delete, or rename fields. 
  2. The layout of the Generic reference type should be used as a guide when modifying or creating reference types.

As shown in the attached image, the generic “Tertiary Author” field is used as the corresponding guide for the “Producer” field.

coho’s Q2 : ”actually was wondering…switching the first editor name order works for the director with a motion picture. but won’t it screw me and reverse the name order from the correct way when citing edited books?  If i’m remembering correctly, in apa 6th, the editors in books are listed as    A. Editor (Eds)     rather than    Editor, A. (Eds)    no?”

Again, I think you meant “Producer”, not “Director” but the answer is “no” as each reference type and corresponding bibliography template is independent with a unique configuration. So producer(s) will be associated with “Film or Broadcast” and editor(s) will be associated with “Books” and “Book Section”.

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Note to developers :  There are some problems with the EndNote’s APA 6th output style concerning the “Film or Broadcast” bibliography template:

  1. The director is incorrectly credited as “Writer” in the template.
  2. For a film reference the producer’s name and credit should precede the director’s name and credit as shown below. (Currently the director precedes the producer.):

Producer, P. P. (Producer), & Director, D. D. (Director). (Date of publication). Title of motion picture [Motion picture].

      Country of origin: Studio or distributor.

3.   For a film reference, only the producer’s name and credit is listed (preceding the director’s name and credit). For a broadcast reference involving a writer, director, and producer, the producer is listed last in this format:

Writer, W. W. (Writer), & Director, D. D. (Director). (Date of publication). Title of episode [Television series episode].

     In P. Producer (Producer), Series title. City, state of origin: Studio or distributor.

This format creates a problem for film references as it will appear when only the producer’s name and credit is needed at the beginning of the bibliographic entry… Until the issue is addressed, a workaround might be to add a custom field to the reference type and output style to specifically accommodate producers for broadcast references.

Hmmm, to me it still seems like director.  Here’s a copy of the template:

Producer (Producer)^(Writers)|. & Director (Director)|. (Year Released)|. Title| [Medium]|, Series Title|. Place Published|: Distributor|. Retrieved from URL

and here’s the corresponding output (with the exception of the missing hanging indent on the 2nd line - i can’t figure out how to make it work in this site):

Chilcott, L. (Producer). & D. Guggenheim (Director). (2010). Waiting for Superman [Motion picture]. United States:               Paramount Vantage. Retrieved from http://vimeo.com/20095459

Notice how the director’s first & last names are reversed?

Auckland University of Technology has the answer on one of their library guides. You can find it here: 

aut.ac.nz.libguides.com/content.php?pid=84548&sid=2487144

The main contributors’ names are followed by a position descriptor in brackets, e.g. Scorcese, M. (Producer)

To produce an accurate reference from an EndNote record you must enter these names in your EndNote record in a very specific way:

- enter each contributor on a new line

- use the inverted format, i.e. family name followed by first initial

- add an extra comma after each contributor’s family name

- add the position descriptor in brackets after each name

- for example:
  Scorcese, M. (Producer)
  Lonergan, K. (Writer/Director)

Refer to this threadfor discussion on listing  the director’s name in 1st-last name order while maintaining author names for other references in last-1st name order as specified by the MLA style. The workaround is to add a comma after the director’s name in the Director (Author) field of the Endnote reference record.