In Word, I miss an option to change the round brackets of a given citation to square brackets if the citation itself is in parenthesis in my text in Word:
e.g. “… (see also AuthorA [2010: 100] and AuthorB [2000: 10]).”
e.g. “… (note that not all researches agree [cf. AuthorA 2010:10; AuthorB 2010: 20]).”
The only work-around seems to be to edit the citation and first remove author and date, and then to type them in
the prefix box (but then, if you correct e.g. the year in the library, this change will not take effect in Word).
It would be great if this could be done more comfortably by being able to define a one-time formatting of the given citation within Word.
the easiest workaround to achieve this, is to hide the author and year in the citation and type in exactly what you want, or format the citation itself as hidden text (my preference because then I can still “see it” when hidden text is showing) and again type what you want. You can copy the author year information from the formated citation (not taking the parentheses with it) and paste that outside the endnote field, and add what ever you want. This will not be auto-updated though.
Hi - What style are you using? I wonder if placing the year in brackets is necessary or would having (see also Smith, 2010; Jones 2011) work? This treatment would only require you to add a prefix to the group citation. If you can confirm the style, we can take a look.
the easiest workaround to achieve this, is to hide the author and year in the citation and type in exactly what you want, or format the citation itself as hidden text (my preference because then I can still “see it” when hidden text is showing) and again type what you want. You can copy the author year information from the formated citation (not taking the parentheses with it) and paste that outside the endnote field, and add what ever you want. This will not be auto-updated though.
Yes, that’s how I do it. Unfotunately, as you say, author and/or year are not longer fields and will not be auto-updated.
Hi - What style are you using? I wonder if placing the year in brackets is necessary or would having (see also Smith, 2010; Jones 2011) work? This treatment would only require you to add a prefix to the group citation. If you can confirm the style, we can take a look.
No, my style demands round brackets as default: either “(AuthorA 2010: 100)” or “AuthorA (2010:100)”. So if I add the brackets as prefixes and suffixes, I’ll get into trouble if only year and pages should be in brackets…
With regard to your response below, the brackets aren’t part of the prefix/suffix, just the additional text and your page numbers. This approach would eliminate the need for square brackets. - and X5 will also allow you to switch between (author, year Cited Pages) and Author (year:cited pages).
Hi - What style are you using? I wonder if placing the year in brackets is necessary or would having (see also Smith, 2010; Jones 2011) work? This treatment would only require you to add a prefix to the group citation. If you can confirm the style, we can take a look.
No, my style demands round brackets as default: either “(AuthorA 2010: 100)” or “AuthorA (2010:100)”. So if I add the brackets as prefixes and suffixes, I’ll get into trouble if only year and pages should be in brackets…
My style formats an in-text citationas as “(Author 2010: 100)” by default. [Obviously I can change it to “Author (2010: 100)” manually. – No Problem here.]
However, if I need the citation to look like "[Author 2010:100] instead of "(Author 2010: 100)", I am still not sure how to do it.
How do I get rid of the round brackets (which I need in my style)? I cannot format as “Author (Year)” AND at the same time exclude the year. The brackets are always there.
the easiest workaround to achieve this, is to hide the author and year in the citation and type in exactly what you want, or format the citation itself as hidden text (my preference because then I can still “see it” when hidden text is showing) and again type what you want. You can copy the author year information from the formated citation (not taking the parentheses with it) and paste that outside the endnote field, and add what ever you want. This will not be auto-updated though.
Actually this is how I tried to do it but how can I hide BOTH author and year?
How can I format the citation as hidden text?
Basically the idea is to write my citation “[Author 2010: 100]” as plain text and have kind of a placeholder next to it?
But then I no longer have the fields… and that’s why I started using Endnote in the first place…
What I tried to do now is define the name of the author in the bibliography as a bookmark and insert a crossreference to this bookmark in the text. At least, then I still have a field and not plain text and would realise if the entry in the bibliography gets deleted by mistake…
What version of Endnote are you using? I assume EndnoteX5, if you can do the manual conversion between the the two. There is an option to hide them both, when you edit the citation.
But I still don’t understand why you think you need a square bracket? Going back to your original request,
for
e.g. “… (see also AuthorA [2010: 100] and AuthorB [2000: 10]).”
most of us would write: (see also AuthorA, 2010: 100 and AuthorB, 2000:10)
and for
e.g. “… (note that not all researches agree [cf. AuthorA 2010:10; AuthorB 2010: 20]).”
we would write (Note that not all researchers agree, cf. AuthorA 2010:10, AuthorB 2010:20).
There is no need for the square brackets. No one will be confused. If there is a specific style where this is dictated, please provide the instructions, so the Endnote developers can have a look to see if this is something they should need to implement.
To accomplish these outputs, it is all achieved by putting the "“Note that not all researchers agree, cf” in the prefix of what will be the first ref, and “and” in the prefix (with spaces around it) in the prefix of the second and your cited pages in either the cited pages (if this field is included in your citation template) of the edit citation, or the suffix for each of the two refs. You should figure out, if there are sorting options, which of the two refs will be sorted first, so that one can have the right prefix.
I am using X5, yes. But I can’t find the option to hide both author and year?? Where is it??
I am from Europe – and I don’t think this is the place to discuss IF I need it… If there are full sentences in round brackets (longer ones than the one you used in your example above), which is sometimes the case (if e.g. footnotes are not allowed), the citation has to be in square brackets. There are SOOO many different styles around, is it really so hard to imagine that some departments at some German universities demand one in which square brackets have to be used sometimes? But I agree, in most cases one can probably get along without them. And I admit that I’ve simply become used to them, having used them for many many years.
Anyway… There is no way to do it with Endnote, so I will highlight the brackets in question and search the highlighted brackets with Word at the very end and substitute them.
The same question was asked in a different forum btw, someone there suggested to suppress author and year and to use prefixes but I failed to realise that.
Duh…, just realized that you could get your square brackets by adding them to the end and beginning of the text defined in the prefix, at least for the second example. Not sure without trying if that could also work for the first example, or if the author would need to be part of the prefix in that case. Not used to using the Author (Year) option yet and not on my own Endnote enabled laptop right now, so only have X4.
I missed it at first in X5, but I think it is the last in the edit citation options list and is something like “hide citation” rather than hide both Author and Year…
If I choose “Show only in Bibliography”, the citation is actually still there (in the text) but you cannot see anything: prefixes and suffixes are hidden as well.
This is the way I would do it, if I were so inclined to parse something of this nature.
See the four images attached to see what I placed in each of the prefix and suffix boxes for the 4 references used in the following line:.
I inserted tbe refs and then modifed the citations using the “edit citation options”, (this is using EndnoteX4). and obtained these results:
For citation example one (see also AuthorA [1992: 100]; and AuthorB [1982: 10]) and for example two (note that not all researches agree [cf. Tumpel et al., 2007: 120; van der Feltz et al., 1989: 121])
The first has one extraneous colon, and unfortunately requires typing the author, as otherwise the parentheses wouldn’t be correct. But all of the text is in the citation and would disappear if the citation itself were removed.
(added in edit, forgot I can only attach three images. The forth ref only has a square bracket in the suffix and the cited pages. Remember that your citation template should look like this: (Author|,*Year|:*Cited Pages|) where the * represents “link adjacent”.)
This is what it looks like unformated:
For citation example one{see also AuthorA [, 1992 #40]@100;and AuthorB [, 1982 #74]@10} and for example two{note that not all researches agree [cf. \Tumpel, 2007 #5@120;van der Feltz, 1989 #58]@121}
