try to edit the styles in Mendeley…
All,
Please refer the to the link below. Though CWYW is very convenient, this workaround is available.
health.library.emory.edu/documents/software/format_paper_msword_2016.pdf
TY
Les
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Has anyone heard from a TR representative about the Beta testing? I have replied on the thread, and sent a direct message and haven’t heard anything – just curious if others have received responses?
So many days passed and still no news from a compatible version?!
I spoke to a sales person at Thomson Reuters yesterday about upgrading from X6 to X7. When I asked about the Word 2016 issue, they said that it should be resolved in January. When I probed further, they said that was when a new version of Endnote would be released - not a patch, an entirely new version. Could someone from TR comment on the accuracy of this information?
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Sounds like it’s still in the “planning stages.”
I was told the exact opposite. I was told that there WOULD be a patch to X7 to fix CWYW and Word 2016.
Here’s an important update for all of you out there who have updated recently to OS X El Capitan:
At this stage at least, MS-Office 2016 for Mac has serious compatibility issues with OS-X 10.11 (El Capitan), to the extant that even IF Endnote released a patch for Word, the manner and frequency of crashes render Office-2016 utter useless.
In other words, until such time as both Microsoft AND Thomson Reuters lift their socks, I would seriously recommend sticking with MS-Office 2011. Whilst I have this evening encountered a couple of crashes with Outlook-2011 whilst running El-Capitan, at least you won’t have any grief with Word-2011 to any great degree.
Makaveli.
While I am NOT a Microsoft fanboy, I’d be careful with generalizations. I specifically do not use Outlook in any form, but I have not experienced a single crash with the other components of Office 2016. Regardless, the lack of a plug-in remains a problem, and undoubtedly the developers are challenged by multiple software product updates.
Les
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At last I can get rid of so unprofessional Thomson Reuter. Start using Paper 3 for mac. Really user friendly!
EndNote is unique when it comes to create new styles. Paper3 is nice, but as for all other alternatives, including Mendeley, the creation of custom styles is cumbersome.
Officially, TR continues to advertise that it expects to have a solution for using Endnote X7 with Word 2016 sometime in September/October. Can we still expect that TR will honor this timeline? At this point, I am happy to wait a few more weeks, but if the time line has changed it would be nice to know.
Thanks
TR is using the ole airline huge delay PR tactic: break the delay down into a series of smaller delays, so customers aren’t enraged. In this case, TR doesn’t want you seeking other biblio software, especially since there are free alternatives available.
Yes, as TR has pointed out, developing the patch for Word 2016 is difficult but as the other software options have shown, not impossible. And mentioning Word 2016’s issues with Mac El Capitan is a red-herring: that issue will be resolved by Apple in the 10.11.1 update because it’s a Mac not Word issue.
Take a step back and look at the situation: you will then see TR’s willful lies (PR noble lies, from their perspective) about the software’s release date. They said “By Fall,” then “Sept/Oct”. A legitimate release date would be one month after Beta testing begins We haven’t heard anything about Beta testing starting, so do they think they will release the software before the end of the month? And yet they haven’t changed the expected release date. The next estimate will be “Nov” because it would be a little too damning to select “Nov/Dec” next. After “Nov” is “The Holidays” if they still need more time.
The truth is that this update has little priority within TR, after all it’s not a paid update. So make TR pay–use another software. Maybe then they will give updates higher priority or at least cut the PR BS.
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Interesting about El Capitan 10.11.1.
I’m currently on the beta of 10.11.1. Are you saying that the integration of End Note and Word 2016 should work now? Not without an update from TR, of course, but I’m sure that 10.11.1 in beta has been available to them for some time, as it has been to all developers.
I think what he was implying was that there have been issues with Office 2016 and El Capitan for some users, with applications from Office randomly crashing for no reason. Microsoft has stated that it is an issue that is partially due to El Capitan, and Apple has stated that 10.11.1 should fix those problems once it is out of beta. They have asked developers to focus on testing Office 2016 to ensure it is working properly.
However, this is a completely separate issue to Endnote, so I doubt that 10.11.1 will fix the problems with Word 2016, since I’m on Yosemite and am seeing problems with Word and CWYW as well.
I think what ChuckLogan was implying was that there have been issues with Office 2016 and El Capitan for some users, with applications from Office randomly crashing for no reason. Microsoft has stated that it is an issue that is partially due to El Capitan, and Apple has stated that 10.11.1 should fix those problems once it is out of beta. They have asked developers to focus on testing Office 2016 to ensure it is working properly.
However, this is a completely separate issue to Endnote, so I doubt that 10.11.1 will fix the problems with Word 2016, since I’m on Yosemite and am seeing problems with Word and CWYW as well.
Chuck,
You have perfectly described the real reason behind all the deceiving messages that Jason (et. al) have been posting here and all the endless silence from TR’s end. The fact is that TR doesn’t care for us paying customers and that EN is on the very bottom of their priorities.
Just yesterday I was looking at a comparative table of EN against Mendeley, and other FREE (yes, FREE) resources. Even in the free version Mendeley offers more storage space and better integration than EN!
And lest not forget that Mendeley is owned by none other than Elsevier, I mean, Elsevier! And yet they can offer it for free with constant updates? I’m sorry to insist on this but we are talking about Elsevier, the same company that had £2.48 billion (2014) in revenue (TR’s revenue was US$ 12.607 billion [2014]!).
In a sense it is sad that this has happened for EN was a software dedicated to academics that has fallen pray of the commercial voracity of TR. I have the feeling that something simmilar happened to SPSS with IBM.
@KenV: As smithak4 noted, I was referring to the lack of any Beta testing for the EndNote patch. Last month, TR asked the forum if there were any volunteers. But nothing has materialized. This is one of various distractions and deflections they have seized upon since the summer. (Another was that Word hadn’t yet been released, even though it was in public Beta since last March. Also, they jumped on Word 2016’s issues with El Cap–nevermind Yosemite users–which is now also a non-issue.)
If the patch is very complex and multifaceted, as TR has been at pains to stress, then like any complex piece of software, it requires an extensive Beta testing period. (The Mac 10.11.1 El Capitan update was just released today after over a month of beta testing. This will not solve the EndNote issues because EndNote’s problems are TR’s problems.)
What this means for EndNote: nothing that TR reps say has any credibility, especially the nebolous ‘within the next month or so’ release date that they’ve been feeding us since July. We know that EndNote is not close to being finished because there has been no Beta released. You need rosy-colored glasses to even believe that it’s “close to being close” (that is, they are almost ready to release a semi-workable Beta). The most optimistic a reasonable person could be is that TR will release the patch by the end of November and it won’t be surprising at all if it creeps into mid-December.
The lack of EndNote usability has been an annoyance, while TR’s PR psuedo-promises have been insulting and dishonest. I won’t speak to the technical challenges of patching EndNote, but if they cared for their users’ interests they would been up-front to begin with so that we could plan accordingly. They must have known, in July, that they didn’t have any chance to release it before October, and yet they promised it. Only to fall back on issues that they already knew about to explain the deadline passing.
I would’ve even been willing to come back to EndNote when the fixes are eventually completed. But bad technical support AND outright dishonesty is too much for me to handle. I can’t imagine I’m the only one.
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From the Mendeley recent update to allow a plugin to Word 2016:
“Please bear with us on the aesthetics of the ribbon toolbar, we are waiting for Microsoft to make some changes to their ribbon implementation to allow us to achieve a design that looks like the rest of the ribbon, but this currently isn’t possible. We are told the changes may be a few months away.”
This suggests that there really are problems coordinating El Capitan with Word 2016 and with programs like EndNote and Mendeley. Hats off to Mendeley for having solved most of these issues.
I just don’t believe that TR has been as mendacious as it may appear to some here. No, they haven’t been as forthcoming as they should have been, and I agree that for a huge company like TR to be so far behind their competitors, it’s ultimately disappointing and off-putting. I don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes at TR, but probably something less than a conspiracy to lie to its customers.
Until now I haven’t been very familiar with Mendeley–I’ve got it running now, and it looks pretty good, but I haven’t had time to compare it, feature by feature, with EndNote. Somone here said it wasn’t quite as intuitive or fully featured as EndNote, but I don’t know yet. Maybe it’s even better than EndNote.
So–EndNote is a paid program, owned by TR, and Mendeley is a free program, owned since 2013 by Elsevier (with which I have personal knowledge and experience as an author). Nothing, of course, is ever free. And the mention of Elsevier doesn’t exactly bring joy to my heart. For example, in order to retain a copyright of an article published in one of the clinical Elsevier journals I have written for, it costs $1900 out of pocket to make the article Open Access.
Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on Mendeley and Elsevier:
"Mendeley was purchased by the Elsevier publishing company in 2013.[10] The sale led to debate on scientific networks and in the media interested in Open Access,[11] and upset members of the scientific community[12] who felt that the program’s acquisition by publishing giant Elsevier, known for implementing restrictive publishing practices, the high prices of their journals[13] (see The Cost of Knowledge) and publicly supporting the SOPA bill, was antithetical to the open sharing model of Mendeley.[14] David Dobbs, in The New Yorker, suggested Elsevier’s reasons for buying Mendeley could have been to acquire its user data and/or to “destroy or coöpt an open-science icon that threatens its business model.”[14]
I have no idea what, if anything, Elsevier plans to do with Mendeley or its user base information, and I am not implying that Elsevier is going to use Mendeley in any nefarious way. But in terms of overall trust and confidence, I’m still with TR until proven otherwise. That’s why I’ve expressed more disappointment than anger with TR.
All that said, I hope TR can move quickly on the technical end and get EndNote working with Word 2016.
Hi,
No matter if they are “hard working to develop a patch” or waiting the next release to include the fix, Endnote X7 is already compatible with office 2016 on windows (I don’t know about mac… let’s try…). The only problem is the detection of your office while you are installing endnote. The only thing to fix in the installer is the detection of office 2016. In the meantime, you just have to install office 2016, then office 2013 (only word and shared components, no activation required), and endnote will detect the office 2013 and install properly. It will be automatically integrated in office 2016 because the plugin folder is shared with office 2013. Then you just have tu uninstall word 2013 and the endnote toolbar will stay in word and powerpoint 2016.
Please share this information and tell me back if it’s working on mac.